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These would be an excellent fit if the toe box was a bit wider. The best made, best value quality shoe on the market is Joseph Cheaney by a country mile. Will post more fit notes when they arrive. A couple of corrections on your US list Simon. Their last is made for the Japanese feet, which are flatter in general with a smaller heel. ", Spain 1: TLB, Yanko, Septieme Largeur and Andres Sendra. I would caution anyone against reading the shoegazing blog. . Forest is a rounded toe, regular instep and more room across the forepart. Nobody wants a bad fitting pair of strides but at least they wont cause you physical pain. Common Projects Achilles and Bball: 43 are some of my best fitting shoes, especially the Bballs that have a little more toe room. Hoping to get myself a pair soon. As for Northampton shoes they are still great value if you buy in the sale or go to the factory shops. Although classed as subs, most of the time you would be hard pushed to see why. Id love to step up to Crocketts as Ive heard great things. Worn with normal dress socks. The high end, aspirational item is necessary too and will always be a hallmark of your site, but I believe you have wisely corrected a too marked journey into luxury where many less of us could have followed. It was a hard break in, mostly just the arch. Alden Trublanace 9D: Far more volume than I need and a lot of play side to side in the ankle area but certainly comfortable. Decent fit all around and should break in nicely. Still tapered in in waist and heel for a comfortable lock in, but with more room in the toe box and at the ball. Very hard to break in and stiff leathers. (Portuguese shoemaker) Obviously also a difference style of shoe, but those companies spend so much on marketing and sales compared to these makers, that they are inevitably worse value purely from a quality point of view. Best fitting shoe I own, after a couple wears I can sport these for 20 miles with no hotspots. Im thinking of trying something different and the George Cleverley Ready to Wear line has a whole cut I particularly like the look of. Id highly recommend it for more detail all of these brands, particularly on the technical side. Please take a look. The Alden cordovan color of the shoe is achieved by a plastic pellicule which shaves rather quickly to reveal a light brown leather underneath. . Actually, given the reader survey we did last year and how much the average reader earns and spends, I wouldnt be surprised if most do spend that regularly on their shoes. Grant Stone Alexander 8.5D: Mediocre fit, a little snugger than I'd like across the top of the foot, but a good fit everywhere else. Some of the shoes on sale are factory seconds and its not something they outrightly advertise. Slightly tight on mid-foot for the first day. Most of my shoes are Crockett & Jones because of the great customer service and the consistent quality. In the end I find it would be the most comfortable of all three lasts. It is still quite hard to fathom the yearly price increases on EG shoes given their pitiful customer service. Non-sense. Heel is kind of big for an oxford shoe it turns out, stick to a boot for this last. Good article. Too tight in the vamp and mid-foot. An interesting read. I still recall trying them for the first time after having worn Carmina for some years and noticed the difference instantly. 14.3 22.carmima uk6.5 carmina6.5 meermin/ 26.5 carmina . The insoles also havent molded to the shape of my foot as I would expect by this point. $215 shipped to the US. I could not ask for a better fitting oxford. Best fitting Viberg last, comfortable from day one, even more than the newer 2030, but this has a little bit extra arch support and has some anatomical properties as well due to being a munson style. Alden Van (unlined shell): 10D, ended up selling before fully breaking in. The lower tier shoes arent and if C&J or EG are out of reach, go with Alden rather than any of the cheaper Northampton brands. I have really been liking many of your posts for this season. Noel: That was the point I was trying to make, when I wrote: whats my experience, and I know for many others as well who have good bespoke shoes, is that the experience of wearing them, with the snug comfortable fit, excellent arch support etc, widely triumph wearing RTW/MTO Goodyear welted shoes. Meermin shoes are also very comfortable due to the relaxed feel of their Double Insoles System but they are not as comfortable as the Carmina shoes. He was told they had changed, as you see seem to have observed as well. 9US is too generous, * **Red Wing 8 last (iron ranger)** 8.5D a bit snug on the sides of the mid foot, might've gotten away with 8.5E, * **Rider Boot 42 last** 9D comfortable fit, but lowish instep at the top makes it hard to put them on without shoehorn, * **RM Williams Comfort Craftsman** 8G with a little heel slip, * **TLB Mallorca Alan** 8F UK generous without being overly roomy. Carminas actually have better fits than Meermin shoes. Leo 9E/9.5D: Bad fit. The arch is prominent, not as much as the White's Archease. 2. You can use these comfortable shoes to show up appropriately for most events, in the most positive ways possible. I have found Robert (admittedly in sales, not specifically costumer service) to be accommodating in every respect; answering scores of questions over a months long decision making process. Viberg 2005EE 9: (there is a D version available from MTO only) I have these in an old 2013 Sample service boot and the engineer which is what its normally found on. I have given up after several wears as the blisters arent worth it. 9.5D heel to toe. After that in the US you get down into much cheaper brands, like John Doe which are made in Mexico. The insoles in the Carminas are really comfortable, balanced, and well-structured. Styleforum is supported in part by commission earning affiliate links sitewide. Reply below with your sizing in any lasts you own/have experience with. Additionally the soles of Cheaney arent as hard wearing either, I have needed more frequent resoles. Are morjas using leather or plastic heel stiffeners? Alongside the quality of the leather, something thats lost at this lower price level is consistency. He replied straight-faced: No, we only use the best full-grain calf for our shoes. They look good, a bit more fashionable than the others, but I also cant say Ive worn them enough to really get a sense of their quality. PS Presents 23: Arterton, LEJ, Marrkt, Fox and Rubato, Click on an image to enlarge. Any other top level comments will be deleted. One brand not mentioned were the French company Bexley. 1. Had the same experience with a pair of Oxfords from them and asked their sales rep about it. I typically shy away from the lighter browns etc.. and thought this might be a good alternative and could be quite versatile. Thin socks preferred due to somewhat narrow toe box. Many people have fallen in love with the Carminas because of how good-looking they are. I dont think either has changed in their quality, no. The leather used to make Carmina shoes is better than the leather materials used to make Meermin shoes. While a bespoke suit might of course feel a bit better in how it fits and how you can move, it isnt really more comfortable and better for the health of your body compared to a midrange full canvas suit, in the same way as bespoke shoes. Seeing an article like this is refreshing, its nice to see PS being more inclusive by discussing products which are more budget friendly. I own several of the shoes mentioned in this article (Meermin, Allen Edmonds, Loake 1880, Carmina) and if theres one thing I learned, it is that: you cant buy Gold for the price of Copper. Its a comfortable, yet roomy fit. It's other Asian brands that are likely to become known in the West first, though. Please take a look. I would like to recommend Trading Post in Japan. Its why Ive avoided buying from them. 8.5D may have worked with thinner socks. The problem with the Japanese brands is theyre rarely available outside the country. If you can spend that extra 100-150 I sincerely recommend buying a pair of shoes from Carmina or TLB Artista. I do appreciate your recommendations to other blogs/websites/magazines as its not always easy to spot good work in the vast numbers of style websites. I think shoegazing is largely irrelevant since the information it provides can be gathered more reliably elsewhere. 10 Best Ortholite Replacement Insoles (Reviewed in 2022), 11 Best Water Shoes for Water Parks | Footslide, Highly-Durable Shoe Construction and Design, Meermins dont last as long as Carmina shoes, You can get most Carminas for cost prices between 341 and 407, You can buy Meermin shoes for prices between $160 and $210. I will look for a similar style shoe latest next year. It is relatively easy to find them discounted, Apologies if this question is in the wrong place. A bit surprised that you had the experience with Berluti, they have a pretty good reputation. I usually just buy shoes in the 500 range when they go on sale for 200-300, but in the 300 range I really like the Austrian manufacturer Handmacher; they make shoes on traditionally boxy Viennese lasts, and they use tiny wooden nails to connect the soles to the uppers. Ill be reviewing them separately, as theyre more similar to other shoes weve covered. Sometimes they run big and sometimes they run small. I wear 9EE in AE (65 last) and want to try carminas. A couple of years ago, I returned two pairs of Oxfords that needed resoling after less than ten wears each. But the insoles are very comfortable and have molded to my feet nicely. Ive tried Lobb, G&G and EG and have notice better uppers but not an increase in comfort compared to C&J handgrade that to me, are the sweet spot of the English shoe made in Northampton at a sensibly lower prices than the top makers. AE is a company around 100 years old and about thrice Aldens turnover, I always heard that only second to it in quality in the US, so that seemed odd. The instep is high, but massive on the service boot pattern. This is more than just the upper, but depending on the build, the leather insole will mold and compress to the foot. There are some great savings on offer and often the defects are either unnoticeable or very minor. Surprisingly minimal break-in but it's been a long time. Sizing down 1 from your HTT could be tricky. Hard as rock! For example, I dont really care about super fine handwork on a shirt. Shoe makes are easier than almost anything to compare in this respect, because you get something more at each level. It could be far more expensive than the cost of a single pair if theyre so much more comfortable as they are for you as it would make it harder to wear the shoes are own currently. Our builds will give about .25 size in the long run, on average. Career and job listings in fashion, mens clothing, Reviews of Classifieds and classifieds sellers, No Man Walks Alone - Official Affiliate Thread (a.k.a. Carmina Rain Oxford - 9.5 UK. Maybe this section could be titled North America rather than United States. Ive decided to get a pair of loafers, which Id wear with flannels, chinos, dark denim and (occasionally) shorts. Trickers town shoes, especially the wonderful Belgrave adelaide, top any C&J shoe I have in terms of comfort and build. Viberg 310E 8.5: Roomy in all directions but toe ball lines up with lowest part of the sprung toe forefoot and widest part of foot lines up with widest part of boot. It might be somewhat boring, but the greatest shoe design can be quite a disappointment when theres puckering on seams, marks on the leather or misaligned stitching. Carmina shoes come with better finishing than the Meermin shoes. Other than more subjective things like style, it's fair to say this is the most consistent difference between English and Spanish shoes. The US has several brands that fit into this discussion - some old, some new. *** Viberg GYW fits just a touch smaller than Stitchdown. I would also like to mention that apart from PS, I also read Jesper Ingevaldsson, who was featured in this article, (www.shoegazing.com) and Justin FitzPatrick (www.theshoesnobblog.com). Jesper's information was based on information by two Carmina retailers. He was also involved in the development of the TLB Artista range, so there is a financial relationship with all of those brands. In terms of value I would say CJ handgrade. Spain level 2: Berwick, Sendra and Meermin. In fact at some point I wondered whether you were being protectionist of Northampton makers by apparently shunning AE, but then I could not see anywhere else that could be like you. regards judging quality by calf not suede? Ive always found the customer service at EG shocking. Bespoke obviously solves this but I dont care enough about the other elements you get and pay for with bespoke, or perhaps I just think 2k+ is too much and I suspect (hope?) I happily pay the very reasonable cost for a brand providing a certain width, a good service, retaining the lasts that suits me and other added values. Ive found having slowly worked my way up the chain that in terms of value for money, its Cheaney, Trickers and Alfred Sargent which have ultimately paid off. However to their credit, Loakes customer service was excellent. Hi Jesper, thanks for the clarification. The vamp was tight but not painful, toes were fine. Makes buying difficult, much like with Vass. Edward Green)? After trying on shoes in Trading Post, the fit is so much better than any western brands Ive ever tried. For a RTW offering, without additional charge, that is a massive advantage for anyone wary of shelling out for MTM alternatives, and I would have expected something worth telling readers. Im not sure what you have to back up that this wouldnt be the case? Grant Stone Leo 9D: Great fit all around. Indeed the leather is really stiff. Carmina shoes are stylish, comfortable, unique, durable, and very cost-effective. The quality would probably tell more in the calf than the suede too, so makes sense to do it that way around. I'm interested in branching out from C&J to Carmina so I'll be paying attention to this thread. Sounds like a nice choice of shoes. in fact my favourite leather is meermin museum calf, while meermin llama I dont really like, and I wouldnt touch their black box calf with a 10 pole. They've seen a lot of rain, snow, slush and worst of all, salt. Plain black Oxfords from Churchs who are near the rail station. They wear down quickly." Alden Barrie (lined shell): 10D, a little snug at the big toe but great in the ball and very supportive overall. Id have to say that, based on my personal experience, the C&J shops are one of the great strengths of the company. My C&J 337 is a bit loose in 10UK but too tight in 9.5UK; my Carmina Simpson Oxford is comfortably snug in 10UK (which is how I like my shoes to fit.) Own a pair of derby shoes in the last now. Japan is the biggest market in Asia for dress shoe brands, but a lot of the cheaper shoes (below 200) are made elsewhere in Asia and just finished at home (similar to Italy). Interesting times and personal style journey. I dont think it is available outside of Japan though. You found 1 size in that last worked for you though? Myrqvist shoes are dreadful. Stretched to become a bit too loose with heel slip note these are unlined, * **Yanko 915** 8UK, a bit loose at the heel, * **Zonkey Boot Classic** 8UK great fit but stiffeners are stiff, Brannock: 9D/E (on a printed paper brannock). I appreciate that there are differences, I just care more about some differences than others. Off sale they come in at about 380 per pair (sale price 225) and they have a great re-furb service where for 80, theyll send them back to you as good as new. To me, the leather feels similar to Carmina, though possibly even stiffer and more inflexible. Ive been a big fan of Crockett & Jones, Carmina and Edward Green. Edward Green does for example. Morjas uses corrected-grain leather, despite their claims to the contrary. The fact is that Cheaney have one flagship store and the vast bulk of their business is on line whilst JL are paying for expensive locations and staff explains all at the end of the day its not so complicated. With Carmina you can get a more refined shoe - closed-channel stitching, a more bevelled waist and so on. Orbans (above) is a brand started by Marcos Fernandez, who also started Septieme Largeur and other brands in France. Oscar - 8 UK Carmina - Rain - 7.5 UK J. Fitzpatrick - TMG - 7.5 UK Meermin - Rui - 7.5 . I have to disagree. To put JC on the same shelf as JL, EG, STC and the like is certainly a stretch. That would be much less possible for me at higher price points. Rafal hails from Poland and is a shoemaker who creates each pair of shoes by himself. He knows the market back to front and is a lovely gent. I definitely enjoy the articles with the highest quality makes but its nice to have a change of pace as well, especially if its going to help me make a decision on something Im likely to buy. Jack & White Bros Round Last 9: Probably the best fit now. Moreover, theres no industry standard in how to name these things so anyone can call anything what they like. Do you think that this pair are too smart: https://www.afinepairofshoes.co.uk/products/berwick-1707-penny-loafer-9628-dark-brown-suede?variant=19309209288766&utm_medium=cpc&utm_source=google&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI5ZCblaOs6gIVdBPTCh32aAttEAEYASABEgKcGvD_BwE, Would this pair be better suited: https://www.carminashoemaker.com/penny-loafers-brown-suede-80113. I have not found any better service than that provided by the C&J shops in Jermyn Street (and actually at the factory shop on the one occasion I managed to visit). The two lasts I mentioned are super comfortable straight out of the box, and I can wear them all day without the slightest discomfort. Im happy I earn enough now to not care about this market segment any longer. For me, thats the right balance: There are diminishing returns to the higher quality make you can get with more expensive manufacturers, and a lot of my enjoyment comes from having shoes that are fit for particular purposes e.g., sleeker oxfords to wear with suits and smarter trousers, chunkier brogue and split-toes for more casual outfits, rubber soles for wet weather, unlined loafers for the summer, etc. men's size 6D with my thickest socks; my dream would be a size 5.5 in this last: 6D Meermin Hiro Derby: 4.5: UK: . As been mentioned by Simon, dont see it as a complete list of brands, its just a selection of ones to highlight, theres plenty of good brands not mentioned (and plenty of less good ones as well). What Id like to know is how much higher quality will the Trickers be over the Myrqvists? I guess what I am saying is that depending on where youre, the good value for under certain dollar amount list will really change for you. I recommend .5 down and just accepting that it is a wide pattern. Not a thick sock last. Some of it is differences in leather and lined vs unlined, but a lot of it is lasting differences. Probably also worth mentioning the Carlos Santos brand from Portugal in this price bracket. Im a long term Crockett and Jones customer I buy main line and handgrade (I prefer the handgrade for the softness of the leather and the whole leather inner, which feels lovely). I beg to disagree. Morjas is similar in having a cleaner make, and is a touch more expensive than the other two. The fit/finish/materials of my $600 Alden boots is markedly different from my $350 Allen Edmonds Dalton boots. These are all a pretty similar level of make, though you lose a little in the raw-material quality among the cheaper ones, such as Septieme Largeur." Customers love the shape of the Almond Toe-Boxes of Meermin shoes Many believe that that design adds well to the elegance of the shoes. and a pair of natural CXL beefrolls were very loose I could slide right out of them. Overall - and this all has to be generalisation - with English shoes you get a solid make and good quality control. But if the heel is good to start with, it doesnt matter so much if it can flex and adapt. Ive never been sure if I am just more accepting of shoe prices or if I am proportional as I bulk at the idea of spending 400 on a jumper but happy to buy C&J main line. So I have never needed to seek an alternative, and have been fortunate never to need to spend more than 500 on a pair of shoes. Lobb, Green etc have never felt as good in my experience, and in the real world I have never been able to see how or where they could justify their relatively higher prices. No issues on 5+ hour rides. Rock Your Socks- show your sock, shoe & pant combos, *DROP 3/1* NWT $240 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Navy Linen & Mulberry Silk Twill Neck Tie, * DROP 3/1 * NWT $225 Ralph Lauren Purple Label Italian Made Square Knit Solid Black Silk Neck Tie, R.M.Williams Comfort Craftsman Tobacco Suede UK 8.5 H. OGIO Golf Travel Bags The Royal Experience! Wesco MP1339 9E: It's alright, toe box is really low and the gusset take up volume running the whole way up the boot as it is fully gusseted. There's a tiny bit more room at the ball too now. Trickers 4444: A perfect fit in 8.5 with medium socks in Logger boots. Thats generally why so many people, or at least readers, like shoes from these other brands. Lets not forget also that a bespoke shoe with a fiddle-back waist and angled heels can also have an element of vanity (albeit smaller than a watch). I find the shoe discussion to be an interesting one. Below that, there are smaller differences created by new entrants to the market. 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