In fact, most laws are made-up in the most basic sense. Indeed, will He not exercise just as much divine power in establishing and fufilling His purpose for the Scriptures (their functioning as a guide to the church) as He has in inspring them? Which would mean that hes comparing himself to the Pope. You cannot go to the individual books of the bible to determine just which books actually belong to the bible. I have heard White and Akin interact and it was professional and courteous on both sides. Stubble, Ray, 2.John 1:1,2 says You are diving into a tangent. Jonathan, that last little tidbit is an argumentum ad populum and should be recanted. Perhaps he actually shows those features you praise elsewhere, but in this matter, they are greatly lacking. Even has a picture of a little troll doll and talks trash about Jimmy. I really dont care if youre talking Geneva or Rome. Dr. White welcomes your calls at There, we finally come to the point Ive been hoping to reveal all along Even sinful man has movements of the spirit that require our respect. Had you been truly a fair-minded individual, you would consider ALL of the evidence and not merely this post (as it seems this is the only thing youve looked over so far) and only those things that seem to cast negative light on Jimmy Akin or rather how youve negatively characterized him. Those who share a certain world view (i.e., who are not emotionally invested in the context) might find the joke text humorous, but not other groups. So its slander first and ask questions later. There are only two other Foxfiers I have found, and one is on a single, defunct website. I like this blog a lot and Jimmy personally (from what I know of him, I never met him) Plan on explaining to me how, if Bob claims to have a divinely-inspired Canon of Scripture, and Fred claims to have a slightly different divinely-inspired Canon, one is to determine which (if either) Canon is truly divinely-inspired and therefore the real Canon? Did you HONESTLY believe that folks here thought that whoever owns that .org addy didnt know the address he was sending the traffic toward? ^_^. Spent a lot of time considering the death of Joseph Ratzinger, Benedict XVI, and what light it has shone on how most Protestants today understand the Papacy. Yall that are tossing the verses, you might want to read the whole thing. He always claimed that eschatology wasn't his strong suit, but he still went at Ken Gentry once in a back forth online discussion about Amill vs. Postmill. Nope. Mary Kay, I can only imagine the level of discourse. Esau attempts to keep up with me point for point for simply not agreeing with him, but he wont apply the same category error he does to James White to this fellow here, Edward. I thought that this was an apologetics website, but I see little apologetics going on. My point is: God (both the Father and the Word) are eternal, unchanging and extemporal. What do you expect? I hope somebody picks his marbles off the floor before he slips on them. Mary Kay the Trademarked Toy only showed up after this deal started, that Ive seen. I never had any respect for James White so I cant say that I am disappointed in him or that I have lost respect for him. : Think about it. At that point its time to move on to more important things. Reno, The End of Interpretation: Reclaiming the Priority of Ecclesial Exegesis. He also loses any debate on this point via special application of Godwins Law. May I suggest that if that is the case then: (and yes Ive helped them see the difference) Im happy you put genuine in quotation marks, so as you differentiate the Gospel of Romanism from the Gospel of Christ. You cant go to the individual books of the bible to determine just which books are authentically inspired and can be deemed as Scripture. StubbleSparks epiphany for the day: He has lived for some time in the greater Phoenix area, in which Arizona State University resides. The alpha symbol is the first letter in the Greek alphabet as already mentioned, and this stands for the spiritual essence of ones existence. I certainly havent, and dont intend to. I just hope people dont see him as the representative of Protestantism. The Book of Nathan the Prophet[6] My identity does not derive from protesting against someone elses errors. Id appreciate an apology. They make the divide wider, thereby reassuring those on both sides that they dont have to take seriously the other side or those on it. Characterize it pejoratively as such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though Created On:04-Aug-2007 09:17:04 UTC For a man who supposedly has wife and children I just wonder about his use of time. *see above posts for examples* In the beginning God created heaven, and earth. refusals by his opponents to address his unassailable points. In Your precious Name I pray, Lord Jesus. I follow, specifically, the successor of Peter, because Christ gave to Peter (and only to Peter) the keys of the Kingdom, and promised that the gates of Hell should not prevail against Christs Church. That could describe you too Mary Kay. No, I was saving them seats. I noticed that the URL was ww.jamesrwhite.org, yet the website presented was Catholic Answers. Funny. No, because I dont consider posting pictures in the name of humor a way to win a debate. Were all tired of it. TROUBLE! Also, those of us in Protestantism do just say God did it as you so immaturely put it. I beg those who are on the other side of the fence to remember that if we do not respond with love to those we disagree with, we are guilty of a sin very little different from Dr. Whites. Tobit I doubt whether anyone familiar with White thinks hes an idiot in fact. conclude, judge) something is X, youve determined its X. Its a simple restatement of the obvious, not some gnostic private secret. No I dont and I never did so Id appreciate it if youll write a recantation to that accusation. Came to you live from somewhere in the wilds of Texas today, will be in Houston tomorrow with the What is Marriage? debate on Wednesday. Those were the daaaays. Does he give account of his ministrys collections and how he spends his time and resources? Algo had posted a few quotes that demonstrate, as all rational historians recognize, that dogmas like purgatory developed over time, and hence, are not apostolic in origin. In fact, had somebody not even mentioned the site on that thread, I wouldnt have even heard about it in the first place. (Stuffed animals notwithstanding..). Its not a true blog, that part aside, one can email Dr White directly and comments that have come through email are handled by Dr. White or aomin.org staff. 1 Corinthians 10:17&18 Tech State/Province:CA http://mp3.aomin.org/JRW/PrejeanCall.mp3 It also makes an excellent chest tattoo, especially if you choose to also get the Alpha symbol on the other side of your chest. Webcast Isnt it terrible that people would search for you and instead endanger their souls by encountering the evil Romanists? The Books of annals of the kings of Judah Mary, Revised Standard Version 1947, 1952. ? Designs like this look very chic and are most commonly opted for by women. I think hes quite thoroughly a gentleman. Rather than engage the *real issues* in this whole debate, such as the arguments Dr. White has presented to Dr. Beckwith against certain Roman Catholic doctrines, everyone has decided to focus on two pictures and a mans character. What questions has ChurchMouse asked specifically? Donald Casadonte, I take my hat off to you. 3. Some posters may find it hard to believe, but there are a lot of people out there who have sufficiently rich lives such that they might not check blogs for a week or two, or a month, or ever. I fail to see how the Bible being 100% Gods word neccessitates the rejection of the FACT that God employed human authors to convey His Word. A name is a label. *YAWN* Jeremiahs got a point, that its a little melodramatic to make this into Hes calling us bloodthirsty terrorists! The photoshops are kind of funny, if youre completely outside the debate (as I am), or would be funnier if White didnt actually *deserve* some of what anger hes already getting anyway. Not much difference there. Ill fix your quote for you. Trent, in many ways, is irrelevant to the Reformation. ie urging one another to fully live the gospel in every aspect of our life. The Jimmy Akin crew why I want him to address the real issues White raised Salvation through the Church IS salvation through Christ, not salvation through Benedict XVI or John Paul II. canon contains 1+ n books known only to Author But what can you do?) Contact. Sorry to repeat what you wrote before. Youre so meanYoure so mean Luke 10:25- Therefore: Nor do I take issue with being called a goblin as I am not at all thin-skinned (as previously stated). Humility, gentleness, courtesy, charity, respect, equanimity, charity rejecting anything that smacks of superiority, ego, disdain, triumphalism, abusiveness, dismissiveness ah, theres an argument thats very, very hard to refute. (big problem here). And the Bible Answer Man debate that wasnt a debate! The first problem being that it is a point-scoring debate, not a search for truth. Assuming the Conclusion Hes not doing it to win, because that is contrary to an essential element of Calvinist theology. We are obliged to yield many things to the Papists (there, he means Catholics); that they possess the Word of God which we received from them. Same way you can think something is right and be wrong. Correct, except that syllogism doesnt accurately portray what went on here. As you know by now, there are several available design options that you can choose from, to permanently display these two meaningful symbols on your skin. If they are your questions, then take ownership of your questions. 14 That henceforth we be no more children tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the wickedness of men, by cunning craftiness by which they lie in wait to deceive. Which is it? Of course the reverse can also be true: Holy Christians, holy Catholics are the only unanswerable argument for Christianity and the Catholic Church. That is why Inocencio wants to buy his action figure with a Cowboy hat! The LXX provides a good translation here. Pray for me! I will not claim that Im not interested in White and his fanboys/fangals diversion into Nicaea, sola scriptura and whatnot. Speaking of a stubborn man, He said: If he refuse to hear even the Church, let him be to thee as the heathen (Matt. I might agree with some points he makes, but theyre overwhelmed by the mudslinging. Oh, is that why you and the Disciples of James White purchased the www.jameswhite.org domain in order to implicate Jimmy Akin as well as Catholic Answers with such Act of Deception? If anyone wants to discuss the matter of the humor in Dr. Whites picture in a serious and polite manner, please, feel free to e-mail me. He received a BA from Grand Canyon College, an MA from So, we have an example of a human work done in faith though the result is due to God. (CC 2009). To His name be all glory. I consider the discussion way off-track with regards to the original topic of this thread. For what its worth, jamesrwhite.org is registered to an anonymous user of mapname.com, as of 6 days ago. 5:14). 1) Jimmy allows random people to post in his comboxes without requiring any sort of registration. Then we are no longer talking about the cannon. It was a specific instance of a humor piece by Dr. White that was at issue, here. Statement of Faith Ed, thanks for the laugh. Thats a rather large base assumption, since I cant call to mind a single supporter of White who showed up without insult, but *even given that* you are highly incorrect. You are wrong about me judging Dr Beckwiths thoughts BTW. OKay I do apologize for being a troll, by defintion I am one in this case. There is no mediating figure White will listen to who will call him on it, so Id just move on. Phoenix apologist, James White, became enraged, as the church was that of his daughter's and the man receiving the tattoo in the video was his son-in-law. He has participated in outreach to various religious organizations nationwide and has even engaged in public debate against Atheism. Vance, you missed what I was said. Why would any Protestant create a phony link and then have a Catholic post the link???. You have to expect to encounter such things with fallen human nature what it is. Dont talk to me about his theological positions or his possible lack of charity in other areas. I find it amusing that most, if not almost all of those accusing James White or wrongdoing are foregoining any possible transgression by Akin or any one of his cronies. $25. 1Tm 3:15: Just how have I lied, CareBear? See above comment. Compare the iconoclasm, similar views on divine election, disdain for priesthood, and belief that the individual can read scripture outside of any binding authoritative framework, and voila: Critical similarities between Reformed Christianity and Islam. And yes, by making them, he IS crying uncle. Its as close to an admission of error as youll ever get with him. Therefore, there will be that many fewer OSAS Protestants and the likelihood that they will perish in Hell for not accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior (as per the normative forms of the OSAS). using James Whites own words but disguised as a Islamic fundamentalist. I have yet to see him list a point-by-point case from him on James Whites innocence based on the actual White v. Beckwith debate. Its not squabbling. God is with us. Considerable time and work are required to get such a tattoo, but it is completely worth the hassle! The two domains are pointing to two different IP addresses. CareBear, Try explaining it in your own words so that a simpleton like me can understand. It seems a bit strange to hear (Especially from a Calvinist) that the Canon of Scripture was borne into existence and unbeknownst to God before the writing of scripture proper. new corrupted Bible versions The Word of God is eternal, and Gods own self-knowledge, the knowledge of the Word inclusive, is eternal as well. The Doctor nonsense is ironic beyond words. Come on, Carebear, Churchmouse! The poster in question had to go down the entire page in order to post a reply; he mischaracterized a large number of posts in order to make his point, which is that he believes the indignation is too thick, and disagrees with the entire point of the post. If you want to strengthen the meaning and concept of your tattoo, then why not add the chi and rho symbols to it? Simply put, God knew both the Rule of Scripture and the Text of Scripture before it was ever written. 602-973-4602 His disciples were empowered. 2 Corinthians 11:3 Here is the link so people can judge for themselves. What knowledge of the canon was established? Something to keep his mind occupied from the horror. James White, director, is a professor, having taught Greek, Systematic Theology, and various topics in the field of apologetics for numerous schools. Isnt it a deception to use the url http://www.jamesrwhite.org to connect to Catholic Answers? During weeks and months when yet another suicidal kid had to be wedged in when there wasnt time to begin with, times when the important gets dropped because if the new situation isnt attended to, someone might come to serious harm or possibly die. Foxflier, I did read Jimmys response to Dr. Whites comments. Huh. Do you know that the phrase drama queen is in the Merriam-Webster dictionary as a person given to often excessively emotional performances or reactions. This is the sort of thing that makes *us* queasy. the horrors of the uncritical acceptance of Romes claim to authority I do not defend these pictures, but I understand what he was trying to say; those who cry for charity should not do so by calling the intended subject of their request moronic, stupid, childish, and much worse. When did you authoritatively establish what His revelation is? Youre mischaracterizing divine inspiration to fit your meaning in order to draw that conclusion, either you or Aquinas was. Double standards? changing your life and your heart in order to be saved. I ask this only because I believe you are a Christian, a loved and precious child of Christ, washed clean in the Blood of the Lamb. Liar. Name Server:NS.DEWDESIGNS.COM Other formats: Audible Audiobook, Paperback, Audio CD. Here, you will be able to see that both the symbols for alpha and omega are inked using curved lines and dots, along with some solid black shading. Mind backing that up? The Reformers werent reforming against Trent. From what I gather Jimmy Akin isnt claiming to win the debate because of the merits of his argument. Here is the context of my comment in my Aug. 11, 11:15 pm post: No, I will not. The Revelation of Elias Jesus himself existed outside of timethe Holy Trinity was not established 2000 years ago after all Jesus himself said that before Abraham I am. Dean. I read through a lot of these posts and didnt see anyone interact with Dr. Whites positions. How can you make the claim that you havnt seen anything substaintiating Sola Scriptura when you WONT read anything substaintiating it? The fact that they proclaimed that there was no God didnt make any difference: it was a religion, and they acted in the way any totalitarian religious system would. When all this started Dr Beckwith was asking a pretty tough question. Ive listened to James White. Theres a huge difference between that and the childish, tantrum-like posting of photos that are an angry lashing out. Can we give it a rest, just for a day. He also leads Apologias ministry, End Abortion Now, whose goal is to criminalize and end abortion through the work of the local church and state legislation. Youre not making a fat load of sense and youre comming off even more deserate with this one. Weve all lost. No one has the *time* to write a book on the issue, even if they do have an answer. Our text verse is a . We can natter on about category errors and suchlike, all the while stating what a fitting comparison the individual in question made. Living word. Moreover, no Emperor regarded himself as the priest of his imperium. My answer is above and didnt evade anything. I dont see that were taught to forgive only those who repent. Greek grandeur is greatly infused within Alpha Omega tattoos. Esua, and had sinisterly maligned Catholic Answers gone off to??? James White is the director of Alpha and Omega Ministries, a Christian apologetics organization based in Phoenix, Arizona. 500 posts, Hmmm. When we Catholics agree, and point out that St Peter was given the authority by Christ Himself, according to the Bible, and we believe it, you disagree (or at least you disagree that that authority is passed down through the ages to the successors of St Peter). In our mortal being we crave mortal evidence of divine sanction, we seek a sign. It was St. Ignatius (50-107 A.D.) appointed Bishop of Antioch by Saint Peter, who first used the Greek word Katholicos, meaning universal, when referring to the Church founded by Christ; this he did in order to distinguish the True Church, already being preached throughout the world, from heretical churches that had arisen. How many photos of mob scenes like the ones White doctored depict mobs of authoritarian Catholics? To put it charitably. Name Server: And please stop mischaracterizing what I said. I dont remember Dr. White saying that Dr. Beckwith was a liar. his or her jumping the gun about falsely ascribing malicious intent to Catholic Answer and Yes, that too is a type of relationship. They in turn necessitate each other from Gods frame of reference. It even goes so far as to deny the idea of an eventual millenial kingdom on earth which gives so much impetus to those protestants dreaming of the immanentization of the eschaton a very gnostic idea. I suppose such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though. Honestly. You guys are down right mean :(, if I didnt know better I wouldnt guess you were catholics. With such comments as such a thing fits the logic and attitude of the mob though and I think this characterizes the attitude of Akins crew well and, oddly enough, corresponds with the general attitude of ignorant zeal held by those in the doctored photographs.; is there any doubt as to what CareBears motives were from the very start? Even though to get a sleeve tattoo like this, you will be required to invest a lot of time and patience, once the tattoo is completed, you will fall in love, instantly! Remember the last time you *actually* did not know whether to laugh or cry? I also see things coming from people on all sides of the debate that, quite frankly, shock me. Do the Catholic Churchs Teachings on Mary Constitute Authentic Christian Doctrine? Jeremiah, I know your heart is in the right place, but why to you feed the trolls? I asked: It boggles my mind that people pop in, make an outlandish statement and expect to be taken seriously. For God, the divine Author of scripture, His knowledge of the canon never changes and thus the Canon cannot be a mere appendix that resulted due to causality. Two comments that youve made about Esau, with emphasis mine: Covered a bunch of topics suggested by social media interactions, including a discussion of special and general revelation, natural theology, and all that area of discussion, and then a brief look at Thomistic inseparable operations and its (unnecessary) complication of the biblical doctrine of the Trinity. His counter part goes off on rants, rages on about yyy, says why he has to be false, etc. Someone in this thread wrote: Trinity Debate Official", "Evidence for Special Creation From Scientific Evidence", Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_White_(theologian)&oldid=1141657590, This page was last edited on 26 February 2023, at 04:23. In the very claiming of oneself a mystic, the cynical paganism of the day would interpret it as unholy pride and therefore the proclaiming would discredit the claim. Luke and his wife of over seventeen years, Cheryl, have two daughters Evangeline Grace and Eliana Faith. Brian Day, Phoenix, Arizona. Luke has been a Pastor/Elder at Apologia Church from its inception in February of 2010 and serves as Discipleship Pastor, primarily focusing on one-one-one discipleship and counseling, as well as overall general spiritual growth of the body at Apologia. Seriously, though, its time to pray for him. Plenty of people died for their religion during and after the Reformation. Name Server: I have other responses to your post, but later . Now, dont get me in trouble with your hubby, Foxy! Its all mathematical! So which is it? His incarnation is consistent with that. Alpha omega tattoo designs are often found to be created keeping both the alpha and omega meaning in mind. The minimum requirement is mutual respect. Apologia Radio P.O. Stop twisting things. Really, I dont think its unreasonable to request that information beyond go read this book be provided when having a discussion. Saying something is true doesnt make it true. Admin Organization:to attn. It is DECEPTION! I get credit for the work I do at my job, but it doesnt involve taking glory that belongs to God. FOR PEOPLE TO ARGUE WITH YOU, THEY HAVE TO COME HERE TO DO IT. That would be me calling you a liar, yes? Protestant Evangelicals disagree with each other on infant baptism, baptismal regeneration, church government, womens ordination, the sacraments (their number or if there are any), whether one can lose his salvation, whether God is in or out of time, whether God knows the future, whether the Trinity is social or substantially unified, whether Jesus could have sinned, whether or not in the incarnation the Word gave up his divine attributes, eschatology, whether or not covenant theology is correct, monergysm, synergysm, amil, postmil, the Sabbath, premil, post-trib, mid-trb, no-trib, pre-trib, and the perpetuity of spiritual gifts. Edward likened some Roman Catholics to a freakshow, as James White likened some Roman Catholics blind zealots. Irrelevant: Jimmy doesnt have time to monitor his comments boxes either, and he doesnt have CA staffers doing it (this is his blog, not the CA blog). 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