Thus two huge cornerstones of the patriarchal house come tumbling down. The two went on. How did that happen? The man is in charge, except when he isnt. And part of that life includes her marriage to writer, director, and producer Marc Silverstein (via CheatSheet ). And once youve been catechized with Jesus-as-psychopath (and Hes Coming SOON!!!! Just yesterday a commentator called him out on his treatment of a 14 year old girl in his own church who was abused by a 24 year old seminary student staying at her home. Did all Christians wear cloth on their head to church up to the 20th century? Hester, what people think is comedy has always been so interesting to me. LawProf wrote: Out of these, the cookies that are categorized as necessary are stored on your browser as they are essential for the working of basic functionalities of the website. Several years ago Jennie's husband Matt Chancey was winner of a webzine's "Art of Manliness" contest sponsored by Old Spice. Hitler was also a very charismatic speaker. I never married. And some of the key destructive features in the Erudite faction are: an amoral base where knowledge is valued regardless of how it is obtained, contempt, dehumanization, no true value on all human life (sort of people-as-experiments), etc. Doug Wilson needs to shut his mouth when it comes to abuse and women. I dont care how cute, how helpful, a young nanny was in the household, her presence there did not cause any emotional and/or physical maniupulation of her life. Oh, Im sure thats what they want. I have been more focused on the big picture. Maybe its because Im a southerner, but I dont see anything wrong with it, and I havent seen it used in a bad context at all. While there are many aspects of Wilsons sickening and destructive rule Metzler does not have personal knowledge of (Wilson has been at it a long time, and Metzler moved away from Moscow a few years ago), those aspects he reports on as an eyewitness are sickening. I dont think that Doug cares all that much about logical consistency. So for the record, Im not buying Dougs attorneys contradictory accounts defense. Gotta love the Internet Archive. Thats not in ID) or sickening authoritarian patriarchs protecting child monsters(can you say, Fundamental LDS Church, also NOT of Idaho!) And his emphasis on classics gives a sophisticated sheen which is hugely attractive, esp within an evangelicalism that has long been anti-intellectual. It was abysmal. It is a process filled with responsibility, beginning to end. I think its his best feature, not because he doesnt have a good mind, but because he doesnt care about using his intellect with integrity. Q&A sessions got heated. Facebook gives people the power to. This Southerner is hiding indoors until conference time. Not surprised Rawles is into him. Thank you for posting this. If I recall correctly, Monergism.com shared an article by some guy who thought women had to wear headcoverings all the time because of the command pray without ceasing i.e., if Christian women are to cover during prayer, and Christians are to pray without ceasing, then headcoverings should be worn all the time. But that is said, in Wilson case, with a particular slant toward helping his cause and his world view. While she objected numerous times to his sexual behavior (according to the complaint), the complaint also uses phrases like she came to see her situation as abusive, he persuaded her, she continued to work for him for several years not wanting to disappoint, and so on. Something else about this which I thought about yesterday but edited it out of my initial comments, and thats the appeal of following a controversialist.. Though I think masher is more accurate Victorian for sexual predator. Those can be rather uncomfortable for contact wearers. The world is full of people who prey on other people in many ways. The only way to Let me also just agree the others who have made similar observations: the man is mentally ill. @ Nancy: Underscore radically. Go figure. Well, let me explain it to you honey. What are you saying? We should say Doug Wilson has a Masters degree in Ecclesiastical Tyranny! He is a good man. Is this accurate? The charges could be grossly exaggerated which would mean that Torres is lying, just like the police officer who claims you are going 45 mph in a 30 mph zone. That did not associate in my mind with being a psychopath. He is from . Could these presuppositions possibly be faulty? The patriarch from Moscow, Idaho chimes in on the Doug Phillips debacle. Faith Evangeline? At all. [6] Phillips is the eldest of six children: his younger siblings being Amanda (b. Ive read some of your stuff online, here/there, and its a delight to read because of what you can make words do. This is what I imagine it might be like. The roots in *sarcasm* could literally be translated as rip flesh. And since Doug Wilson does seem to enjoy ripping into peoples soul, it fits. Im not saying there shouldnt be some sort of restitution if her claims are proven true. Thus there is something to the evil genius stereotype. He enjoys making people feel like crap. Can I get this on a T-shirt somewhere? (For instance, see the description on Amazon for *The Search for the Perfect Language* by Umberto Eco.). But I do understand from this case, that Lourdes often told Doug to stop it, that she would have derived no personal pleasure from being semened-upon, and that she was the one who finally put a stop to it. Even if that specifically isnt true, its nonetheless enormously popular. I feel that way too. You know how sweet she is.. is peter strzok and lisa page still marriedthe hardy family acrobats 26th February 2023 / in was forest whitaker in batteries not included / by / in was forest whitaker in batteries not included / by Maybe somebody has that in mind. And I really resonate with the last part, which is what I and many in friend network back in the day of the 1970s-1980s were seeing and/or experiencing from him. According to Julie Annes information over at Spiritual Sounding Board, the Christian arbitration thing has been tried before with Phillips (I think it might have been with the Joe Taylor mess). Even sarcasm can be funny if its used properly (and probably sparingly). And from time to time a reader will call out Wilson on this on his blog and then will get blasted by the Wilson fanboys and occasionally by Wilson himself. The family integrated church is a movement that has Doug Phillips as one of its advocates has been not been embraced by the BBFI or by influential theologians in the GARBC. Check out the recent episode about them on the Leaving Eden podcast. Genuine genius and wisdom require a blend of brain/heart. I dont disagree with the premise, and thought it might be interesting. Having learned what Ive now learned about Wilson, his views on slavery and the like, I now regard him the same way I would regard a Neo-Nazi or other form of white supremacist. This is true, at least, so long as the world would allow him keep his pulpit and halo. I started a college where half the student body is female and PHC just elected a woman student as the president of the student body. Sovereign Grace Ministries One stream was more irenic, Socratic, listening, and relationally engaged more along the lines of LAbri. Just like TGC likes them. The fact that he is much older, married, and her employer, for one. Matt 18:15-17 (KJV) Do you think its ok to inform the authorities and press charges in a public school environment where there is a teacher that is sexually abusing children? Oscar Wilde and Mark Twain were witty; Doug Wilson is a chainsaw. What next a book by one of the Gospel Coalition celebs on gospel-centered car maintenance? (name omitted)you are doing exactly what those that abuse children do so well, blaming the victim and using the bible to gain their silence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b2X078_VDjc. If Wilson is the intellectual wing of evangelicalism, I despair. The specific terminology, however, is condescending and offensive, and is frequently intended to be just that. I doubt it. So, yes, I think that there were mistakes made on both sides here. Ok, one last thing. My main fear for Torres case is not that the situation will be viewed as an affair gone sour, but that the jury will not adequately grasp how cultic BCA was/is. If thats not what they meant to convey, then theyre doing a terrible job of communicating. Trying to get into a mind like Mr. Wilsons, I think this is code for: Silence is the best policy, we ought to deal with the matter internally, the heathen world is watching, and it beshmirches the Cause of Christ, Homeschooling and Patriarchy (not necessarily in that order of importance) for such matters to get a public airing, least of all in heathen courts; it would be far better if Mr. Phillips were rhetorically taken to the woodshed by some other leaders within the Patriarchal World, sent into exile for a year or two, then brought back contrite, refurbished and publicly endorsed by the same elders, where he could continue his great ministry, with all detractors, including Ms Torres-Manteufel, accused of bitterness, envy and slander if they refused to go quietly.. I'm unclear why his older daughters have not become members. Menken early in life so that he could get this write-up published in Slate magazine much later. If Wilson is the intellectual wing of evangelicalism, I despair. Gotta love the Internet Archive. This we understand. Where this man is coming from is as plain as day. I might buy one. Resides in Visalia, CA. Just wanted to add a tiny bit of something to the conversation, lol, to follow up on HUGThank you, HUG, for bringing that fabulously wonderful word up! The related for-profit company was paid $193,176 in 2011by the nonprofit for labor and services,according to records. I wish I wasnt so intimately aware of how it all works. Sadly, BN, Wilson isnt a moron. Gee, how much money are they making on this deal? Phillips was born into a Christian family with Jewish heritage. Thus the difference between NT Wright and Wilson, a chasm apart. I know Ive said this here before, but am I the only one who doesnt think Doug Wilson is funny at all? I believe he and his family even moved to Austin and have started over. And now back to the topic at hand: http://frombitterwaterstosweet.blogspot.com/2011/02/keep-sweet-conspiracy.html, I might agree with you if everybody carried a dictionary around with them and confined themselves to dictionary meanings. Statistics show that 1 out of 3-4 girls and 1 out of 6 boys are molested by the age of 18 years. It was the most pretentious and unscholarly load of drivel Ive ever come across. Did Jesus ever say word one about women needing to dress a certain way? . .. like the women responded in the South Park episode, how come all the men know about this, and Back Door Sluts 9? But that may not give her any legal relief any more than it gives others in similar situations with charismatic religious figures relief. . But you dont have to show non-consent in all cases of inappropriate romantic attention to have a rape or sexual assault case. If you continue to use this site we will assume that you are happy with it. see this image for how I view the perps words in this case. We cannot accuse Vision Forum of treating all women like little girls, and then turn around and treat all women as little girls who cant be expected to say no to a cad at Vision Forum. (Two or three more.) "This is us. God is not on the side of the unrighteous judges like Doug Wilson and Stacy McDonald. So Guidepost "determined that using Twitter was no longer an option for them." Doug Phillips's income source is mostly from being a successful . I understand that Phillips claims the sexual abuse never occurred. All I could picture when that was announced was how congested the airspace would be around major cities at Christmastime. Another case in point is Tim Challiies telling us how to think biblically about everything. Hello, and thank you for your submission. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It matters a whole hell of lot. For some reason people like to heap backhanded praise upon their enemies in this culture: I may disagree with X, he may be quite dangerous, but hes quite a [fill in praise here]. I think the archetype of the Evil genius is at work here, people just like to fit enemies into that narrative, even when its square peg-round hole. I dont disagree with the premise, and thought it might be interesting. Thanks for the explanation. But that may not give her any legal relief any more than it gives others in similar situations with charismatic religious figures relief. If I recall correctly his website SurvivalBlog is the most visited survivalist site on the internet, at least according to him. In other words, he plans to do nothing he cannot get away with. You are a hero of the faith. Outside of this comfy world, there are many many people who just dont get ituntil a tragedy like this one happens close to home. We have estimated I am certainly not the only person who challenges Doug Wilsons view of Moscow as his own fiefdom. One of them ranked among the worst-written, worst-researched books Ive had the misfortune to read. ISTM that Piper cares, but has little ability. Thanks for your insider commentary, Rosmary. It appears that while as he has been fighting homosexuality and feminism as threats to marriage, he has actually been the threat. Wow!!! I dont know who is lying; they both could be lying. The first requirement of a Christian preacher is the ability to communicate, but Wilson is primarily concerned with signaling what a smart, witty guy he thinks he is. I now know something about Yemen besides US drone attacks! Ive always hoped the girls were able to get out. Perhaps sociopaths are statistically more intelligent than average, but that sure doesnt necessarily mean genius or anything close. Have you read Divergent Well, since Doug Wilson cannot even acknowledge the little children who were victims of the member from his own church, I would not expect him to support Doug Phillips' victim in any way. Did we suddenly find some biblical truth to which the saints for thousands of years were blind? It is being followed all over the world by the international press. Courtney Stodden was a 16-year-old who had dreams to become an actress. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=yooper. Finally, she was practically yelling about that crazy dentist Dr. Acer in Florida whod infected some of his patients and blah-bluh-blah this and BLAH-BLUH-BLAH THAT and . My daughters might want to join us to speak for themselves. This is an excellent presentation given by an attorney who is very involved with the issue. And theres something like that in every single Wilson piece Ive ever read. Im with you, Clay. I always loved the writer Jack Handey, of Deep Thoughts fame from SNL, and last year I was forwarded this fantastic NYT piece on him, Jack Handey Is the Envy of Every Comedy Writer in America: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/21/magazine/jack-handey-is-the-envy-of-every-comedy-writer-in-america.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0, This idea the notion of real jokes and the existence of pure comedy came up again and again when I asked other writers about Handey. I guess all those whippings and beatings were all affectionate too, huh? It was called Angels in the Architecture and was supposed to be about how the Church today has a lot to learn from medievalism. Jamie and Doug met on their wedding day and got married despite being complete strangers to one another. Celebrity is always a temporary fix or just a placebo, and the trauma of withdrawal will take place eventually. And then the Christian Right movements got rolling, and that fueled additional explorations of Christianity and politics, law, society, etc., which brought in more interest/credibility to the dominion theology and theonomy approaches. I know this is hard to explain. He does have at least one church member who publicly espouses those sentiments but the fellow has never held a position of authority in the church. Societies need to take responsibility for them. Not sure I understand your reply. Never once. the scripture you refer to about not going to worldy courts was written to a church that would not judge its own righteously and therefore allowed sin to grow and not be addressed. Doug is the master of ecclesiastical tyranny. Unless someone can find a complete disavowal, though, the implications in that monograph are frightening. But to describe Vision Forum as conservative does not tell the half of it. Trust Doug Wilson to get everything as wrong as possible. that it will give opportunity for reflecting otherwise, and for changing his mind about how his logicism and legalism transmogrify people into machines. For about the last 6 years, you and I have sat around the same table for board meetings. Once married, women are taught that self . @ Hester: In 2014, Michael Farris, the chairman and cofounder of the Home School Legal Defense Association, criticized the biblical patriarchy beliefs of his former HSLDA colleague Doug Phillips, and said he regrets not speaking out against him sooner. He has an ideology to protect plain and simple. But my feeling about that is not dependent on whether the plaintiff can prove whether the contact was consenual or not or whether she was a victim.. I may have hopes about the outcome. In an effort to be gracious I will simply say that because one is a pastor/theologian this does not automatically confer upon you the status of an expert in all fields. I have NEVER met anyone here with such reprehensible views!! Texas is not known for going easy on criminals. In debriefing my disastrous theological field education experience at seminary, the following question from my instructor has continued to be a valuable source for reflection on other destructive experiences: Was there anything in you that made you susceptible to how that leader used you?. The victim in this would have been Beall, with two people victimizing her. I read into ponerology for a while, but its not a healthy pursuit for someone with my history, so I quit. pcapastor have you been in touch with Metzler directly? Lets put them in our prayers. There is a miasma of mean-spirited bitterness that hangs over the Kirk like a thunder cloud which emphasizes their election and our damnation. I am indebted for this information to the late well-known impresario [Albert Marshall] Palmer of New York, and I made a note of it years before the term had become at all popular. Thats the entire case, in my opinion. It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves, but you, in these things which now have been announced to you through those who preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaventhings into which angels long to look. But the stereotype also fails because a person who has no heart loses intelligence. Phillips also takes a dim view of women in the public sphere, saying it is not the ordinary and fitting role of women to work alongside men as their functional equals outside the home in business, government and the military. [6] Beall Phillips was herself adopted. Also known as Doug J Phillips, D Phillips, Phillips Doug. I dont really keep up with these groups, but it is interesting and sad to read about them. Doug Phillips, 41. Dont you just love how Wilson uses cad and scoundrel to describe a sexual deviant and predator? 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