Seriously? They are not rightly preaching the word, along with a long list of other prosperity teachers. Return to homepage. Yoga. Let me ask you, are Cain and Meyer repentant? So many things we call biblical are just cultural. And I wont get into the Catholic church and its covering up of abuse, or twisting of scripture to idolize the Pope and Mary. Zip it!! Is it the written word of God, or are you caught up in tradition and religion. Where am I?So I thought:OK, Im gonna put it all out there. Would anyone who claims to be a Christ follower choose to wear a pentagram? We rebuke it because we dont want people to be misled. I guarantee you did! Before she knew it, she was struggling. 5; 2 Cor. #Past #Trials #Tests "Often the very things that you think have disqualified you are the ones that qualify you to do what God has . "There is something about walking through the valley of the shadow of death with Jesus: You come out knowing Jesus," says Caine. ph: +61 2 9854 7000 | fax: +61 2 9831 4999. The pain of recovery is great. I only speak on my personal experiences, what I have read, what I have heard, what I have been taught, and what interactions I participated in. Eschatology (End Times) You are more careful not to offend humans than you are to offend God. I have a question Have you read Mark Battersons book The Circle Maker? Caine took to her blog on Tuesday to share that during the span of a week, she had gone from having a sore throat to being diagnosed with four separate throat conditions, including stage 1 of thyroid cancer. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple What do we know really? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray? People like you? Please be specific. Then mankind graduated from a belief based on laws, as we all did growing up under the laws and rules of our parents, and came to live in a belief based on faith. He is this hope that we have; nothing else is going to do it. Inspiring people to follow Jesus and fearlessly change the world. Are you kidding? Nothing loving here as far as i can see. -- Christine Caine . Let's not forget that, Why revival must be tethered to Scripture, Revelation 9: The pit, the smoke and hideous demon creatures, Lessons from the old Jesus Revolution for the new Jesus Revolution, Age is a mindset: How mental outlook and actions impact an aging mind, How to handle any criticism thrown at you, 5 reasons why the disappearance of the offering plate is so significant for churches. In retrospect, Caine says she had to endure much despair in order to have a story of healing but it was because she ended up learning a lesson she thought she already knew. Homosexual Agenda 26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. My goal, in my openness, is to say: God can use anyone. I believe theres a heaven and hell, that Jesus Christ died on the cross, was buried and rose again for our sins. It was very difficult for my family in the early days to cope with. In order to post comments, please make sure JavaScript and Cookies are enabled, and reload the page. This is strictly how a person who is not qualified, is handling scripture. I understand you want her husband overseeing what she saysbut traveling without your husband for work is not, in it self, a sin. The first three points more or less presuppose the context of a local congregation. 18 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven? Christine Caine | (Photo: ChristineCain.com). "I had a thyroidectomy last Tuesday. Christines book Unashamed is the third in a series including Undaunted and Unstoppable. In person, Caine is funny, loud and unapologetic. Im only ever one thought away from thinking how I used to think, she said. My friend you speak from emotion not wisdom, before you say one more thing, take out your bible, and compare what these women say to what scripture says, youll find their message is not anywhere in there. He healed my body. 21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Click here for instructions on how to enable JavaScript in your browser. Ascough cites other examples of noble women named Lydia from the first or second centuries,[ so it is unlikely that she was actually a slave or servant. (I mean, isnt that the point?) Did you know that Lydia and Priscilla are both listed BEFORE their husbands in the book of Acts because the writing style of the day indicated listing the LEADER of the household FIRST? During the interview, Christine shared the story of how, at the age of . By the way Marin, you still havent answered an iota on Christine Caines association with Hillsong, T.D. Woman came from man. A conversation about her marriage to pastor Francis Chan and their urban ministry in San Francisco. "Of course the enemy wanted to silence my voice," said Caine. As Ive said before, if this is leading people to Christ or causing teachers to repent, then AMEN. These are those that prexumed, who named Christ, who did miracles. I do question false teachers, theyre deceived. Hope 103.2 will be ready to celebrate what's good in society and culture. If you have been healed of an abusive past while listening to Christine, thank God and move out of this pagewhich is what I am doing now. The only teachers whom the church supports are those whose teaching is in accordance with the standard of divine truth (3 John 8). Victoria Osteen shares how God can use your past to bring greatness to the Kingdom. But employ the wrong application. Sorry, Christine Caine nor Joyce Meters is Esther, do what Esther did nor follow what is commanded: 13 And Mordecai told them to answer Esther: Do not think in your heart that you will escape in the kings palace any more than all the other Jews. And this is very encouraging & very helpful to a whole lot of pole who have been hurt. 12 How think ye? These clowns do not preach the word of God. ~ Christine Caine. Here are the lessons the Church needs to learn, The Profile: In-depth interviews with hundreds of inspiring Christians. Christine Caine. Anti-trafficking work, church planting, womens networks, speaking, writing is there any part of life that you dont want to tackle? So youre assuming I never emailed none of the people over the years? This is so dumb. And that brings us to our second point. Trying to save? She adds, "I was blindsided by a surprise attack, but God was not. They called people out TO THEIR FACES, whether in speech or by letter. As soon as I walked in I knew, This is what I've been wanting all my life. There is an honesty about Christine Caine that is rare in high-profile leaders. YOU have an issue. Alison Jones: Dear precious Christian. We need to be careful not to underestimate how important our response to correction is. Choosing to Break My Victim Mentality - Christine Caine, Christine Caine and Victoria Osteen join Laurie Crouch on TBN's Praise to discuss how it is possible for everyone to be redeemed from a broken past through Jesus Christ. As a minister myself, I cannot tell you how often the Lord has rebuked me after something I preached, we dont see the side of the preachers personal walk with the Lord who believe me will deal with whatever we speak. As I stated before, in the end, we will all be held accountable for our words, and if you feel great that the Lord will congratulate you on your posts, then AMEN! Keep in scriptures, you might find better things to do than this. The shame and guilt of childhood sexual abuse hasnt stopped Christine Caine from sharing the love of Jesus with people across the world. Am I talking like this? I find this website quick to site scriptures to denounce the heretic in question, but slow to provide biblical reference to support their own advice/logic. 31 So when his fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and told unto their lord all that was done. 30 And he would not: but went and cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. . What did Jesus look like? Pray for wisdom and for Jesus to control your anger. Such a person is not to be given religious recognition of any kind, because to do so would mean that the believers would then share in his evil deeds. They took half of my thyroid; I won't need any more medication, and there is now no trace of cancer in my body. We are supposed to be out there winning people to Christ the end time is near. When she first heard the diagnosis, Caine says her mind began to race "down the worst track like a runaway train, and I had to pull it back before it hit a wall and caused irreparable destruction." You seem to love uprooting absolutely EVERYTHING someone has learneddo you WANT to leave them with nothing? Christine Caine is wife to Nick, mother to Catherine and Sophia, author of Undaunted, and founder of The A21 Campaign, an antihuman trafficking organization striving to abolish slavery in the 21st century. Its not about who is qualified, whether they are male or female, whether they have gone to college for decades or even if they arent human. I have not said an iota about them, because I have not had any sort of personal interaction with them. Why dont you pick up scripture and compare what she says to what the word of God says? . I would say the fawning over Christine Caine and other false teachers is more akin to being cult like. http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/false-prophets-and-teachers/, Wow all I have to say is thank God he will be judging me & not you people All I see you doing here is turning people away from God spewing such hate, who are you to judge? What will that do other than leave them in despair? Published in Testimony. Neither should you. Its time for us all to check our markers. 107 quotes from Christine Caine: 'Sometimes when you're in a dark place you think you've been buried, but you've actually been planted.', 'God is able to take the mess of our past and turn it into a message. Although a lot of bad things happened to me, my life is a testimony that God can talk the bad things that happened to you and turn them around for his glory. Lets crack open the Gospel of Luke and just read it again. It was my own walk with Christ, studying of the scripture, and life-changing experiences that helped me grow and see otherwise. You want to be a woman of God? Spend more time building your character than trying to build your platform. For Christine, shame grew out of numerous hardships: schoolyard bullying, the discovery at age 33 that she was an adopted child abandoned by her biological parents, and most significantly years of sexual abuse that she suffered as a child. I tried to tell somebody that could have intervened, but 40 years ago in Australia, the word abuse didn't even exist. Woman can be used and will be used by God wether some like it or not. In 2007, Nick and I felt God was leading us to get involved with rescuing victims of human trafficking. His Greek Orthodox family live in poverty in Australia where they immigrated. In sum, this is a useful article that needs some updating with recent developments in Caines life. If Im going to follow him, Ive got to deny myself, take up my cross. I can claim John McArthur as total heretic for some of the teachings he has preached, I can claim, Rick Warren is or any preacher. I hope you take time to listen to it because Christine's message is powerful and relevant to so many areas of our lives. Numerous private jets. And that was pivotal in bringing me to a saving relationship with Jesus. I do not know you to question your faith or beliefs, but based on what I have read, I do question your motive. We name names not because we have issues personally with the person, but the teaching which we are absolutely supposed to judge against scripture. Living in the archaic mindeset that a womans place is in the home negates part of what God created and presumes mankind will not grow and adapt over time. When countless of videos, articles, books, and their own testimonies have proven and shown them to be the wolves that they are? Subscribe to TCW's free email newsletter at this link for weekly updates and chances to win free books and music downloads. Progressive (Social Justice) Christianity Thats not in scripture. Moreover, the congregation must not behave in any way that might indicate endorsement of their false teaching. It cost me everything to go forward with Jesus. The Holy Spirit is in all of us and Big enough to show you truth. Blessings. We have examples in scripture where bona fide believers are the source of error in the church. Personally, we see no reason at all for Priscillas name coming first in half of the Scripture references to her, even though she may recall the wonderful prominence of women in early Christianity, and in martyrdom and service for Christ., (MARIN) Yes, Lydia was the LEADER of her house church and played a key role in getting her family baptized. It is for God to judge and not for people. Go take it to them personally. Using the bible as a standard? Christine Caine engages in New Age practices condemned in the Bible, such as this impartation described in the link. Chris Rosebrough Reviews Christine Caine at Passion 2015 Conference. If u cant speak life. Amen (I Timothy 6:20-21). How can anyone hear the voice of the Holy Spirit with all these self proclaimed wise know it alls. Christine Caine is the founder of A21, an international anti-human trafficking organization, and Propel, a woman's organization dedicated to helping women realize their purpose, passion and potential. People are too busy being judges more than preaching the Bible. Again, the stakes are high here. False teacher? Christians publicly label entire groups of people, make assumptions about political affiliations, and vilify entire groups rather than seeking to lovingly understand and correct. I wanted to be open: drifting isnt always Im leaving Christianity, Im going to start doing sex, drugs, rock and roll Drifting can be as subtle as taking your foot off the gas, going: Its too costly to keep pressing on, Im just going to slow down a bit. We need to examine our hearts. Why, because God has called them to that profession. Judge for yourself who to follow. 2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them. BTW.I love the fact that not only yourself, but many women on here reply by teaching which word she supposedly is teaching wrong. But theyre not the only ones suffering shame; even those with a charmed life are prone to being ashamed of who they are, she said. Theres no room for compromising. 5,107 posts. 2:24-25). In Galatians 2, Paul says that he opposed Peter for not being straightforward about the truth of the gospel (Gal. 17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican. My whole goal is to say that Jesus put shame to shame on the cross. And so began the journey. The apostle John addresses such a scenario in 2 John and 3 John. And thank you for giving us a forum in which to teach the Scriptures and have healthy debate.. She is an ordained pastor and functions in that capacity. A local Walk For Freedom host who saw a problem and became dedicated to finding a solution. However, by the end of the course all of our eyes were opened to identify animistic and occult practices. You seem to be very confident that your approach is Biblical, and in the end, that is what really matters. Christine's desperate search for her roots turned up a birth certificate. The baskets kept filling up no matter how much food they distributed. I sadly find some of this ridiculous. Oh what horror! Manny, I dont want to jump too far into your conversation with someone else, but Id like to lovingly bring something to your attention. Am I acting like this? When Christine was a youth pastor at the Hillsong Church, she attended a workshop on abuse to get ideas about how to help people. Christine Caine is a member-leader in a doctrinally heretical word-faith church, twisting a scripture that warns against false teachers, http://followingjesuschrist3.com/2014/09/18/false-prophets-and-teachers/. When you make comments like, Really, you need to figure that out from false teachers?, what do you hope to gain from it? CAN YOU CAST THE FIRST STONE? So thats why it comes across as if you just want to brag Im SO right, and they are SO wrong! Show me how anonymously talking about people behind their backs is the Biblical way of correcting or confronting. 3For the time will come when men will not tolerate sound doctrine, but with itching ears they will gather around themselves teachers to suit their own desires. 2:6). Pressing on in todays culture is costly. Thank you, Amy, for cleaning this up. And the pain of recovery will be greater than the pain of the injury, but if you do it, your leg will be stronger than your other leg for the rest of. In the meantime, I pray for truth to pervade where lies now take hold. . The author of seven books, her latest release is Unexpected: Leave Fear Behind, Move Forward in Faith, Embrace the Adventure. If you know and read your bible that is quite obvious. It was a fantastic interview from a man who showed he was searching for truth and was willing to change. Youre theology is very weak to non-existent if you believe these women have actually brought anything good to the masses. Sounds like your liberal-modern theology, empowered-woman paradigm is full of holes, I think its better to follow the bible, not Caine and her twisted notion of scripture. Kenyons principal disciple was Kenneth Hagin Sr., the recognized father of the Word of Faith movement. You dont personally know me and have gone on and on about what YOU think I do or do not know. I listen to Christine Caines messages and Ive never heard anything bad. Its quite a shocking thing to find out youre not who you thought you were. And we won't play on people's fears. Get them into the boat. Part of Word of Faith heresy is the habitual mishandling and twisting of Scripture while teaching: taking verses out of context, attempting to make the Bible say things it does not say in order to fit the theology of the teacher, and reading oneself, ones audience, or ones own ideas into Scripture (eisegesis). There are many other denominations that have been around for years that teach false doctrines Scientology and Jehovahs Witnesses come to mind. Here she is twisting a scripture that warns against false teachers, that is actually rebuking those who warn against false teachers something the false teachers often do. We strive to bring His word to people! All poster children of false teachers! So here I am! By the way, both Joyce Meyer & Christine Caine honor God, His call on their redeemed lives and they honor their husbands as well. 2) What is the role of a single women & widows in the church, if she is not preoccupied with the duties of wife and mother? In doing so, you are also females teaching the word. Is tearing down others and their ministries winning souls to Christ? While Copeland remains the leader of the Word of Faith movement, several newer mass media Word of Faith preachers have eclipsed him in popularity, viz., Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn, Joseph Prince and Joyce Meyer.. But it is their heart God is looking at, are they teahcable, do they accept correction well. In both texts, Paul hands someone over to Satan. When I was young, I cried out to God in my naivete and innocence, and in my desperation felt he wasn't stopping anything. Where is that Biblical? You can talk very big about what you WILL do, but what Im talking about is what you HAVE and HAVE NOT done. Surely not the Christ of scripture, for we come to the Father only through Him, without the Son theres no salvation, you cant earn it, work for it, it is an undeserved gift, we cant ever repay. If you know scripture you could in an instance see where Christine Caine is wrong. evil men and impostors deceiving and being deceived (2 Ti m. 3:13) Joyce Meyer brought me closer to my walk with JESUS and my daughter is going into ministry to teach people about Jesus and HIS LOVE for his people! Theologians disagree as to whether Lydia was a free woman or servant. Morning Devotions, 5 Things About Jesus That Matter to You Part 3 A Time With God Audio Devotion, ChatGPT and the Rise of Technology: Wisdom in Using AI, Love is the Greatest Political Idea, says Indian Author & Philosopher, 5 Things About Jesus That Matter to You Part 2 A Time With God Audio Devotion. The authors name is listed at the top if you want to be able to properly address your concerns. Thanks, Amy! 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